Liberals that obviously don't know history keep saying that the right wing are nazis. I thought ID give your education a little nudge in the right direction. Did they manage to miss the 25 founding tenants of nazism?> Can an educated person not see socialism here?
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
Like obama not following nafta and gatt after his party made them law?
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood.
Wow, can you say the DNCs "living wage" program?
9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
Can you say affirmative action? Other wise known as racism.
10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Ooh like those people who offended obama so much he wants their e mail addresses.
Therefore, we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
Left wing capital gains taxes.
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
Lefts hatred of companies who supply services to the govt. Remember: No bid contracts to halliburton under clinton are good. Under bush they are bad. Under barry they are good again.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
Wow this looks like it came from Barry's election platform.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
Obamas claims that "I don't believe in reparations. IT doesn't go nearly far enough"
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
Another of obamas favorites!
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
Small Business loans, minority set asides?
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
Take rich peoples lands.... Tax the rich... where did I hear this before?
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
"Impeach bush" "911 was an inside job" "Global warming is going to kill us all"
19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
REplace capitalism with socialism. Where have I heard that before?
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
Hmmm teach kids to think like we want. Make free education available at the expense of indoctrination. Can you say Obama? Sure, I knew you could.
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers of the young.
ENough said. More liberalism / nazism/ fascism
22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.
Obama's Civilian National Security Force.
25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.
ALmost like obama. HE will sacrifice YOUR life to reach his goals. can you say obamacare?
Transorb the e mil issue IM talking about is obama asking people who see negative things posted about obama to forward them to the white house.
Answer by Neo Neocon
Just replace the word "Jew" with "white male" and you have Obama's book Dreams from My Father.
Answer by Reserved Powers
Yes, I think the typical public school education is a big factor in some people being unable to see the obvious. The union's stranglehold on government education inevitably results in the majority of the teachers trying to keep Democrats in power. Many of them are pawns of the union without even realizing it. We have strayed so far from the vision of our Founding Fathers, yet most young people have no idea what this means or that it is happening at an acclerated pace.
It is interesting that today the radical conservatives who want to shake-up the leftist/statist status quo are the older generation. The youth are mainly in lockstep with the status quo and the Democrat agenda. They think if they wear a t-shirt with a sexual double-entendre, that somehow makes them a radical. Meanwhile, they follow their public school teachers' indoctrination agenda to the letter.
Things will really get interesting when/if the American youth realize that the conservative philosophy is the new radicalism. You would think they would realize that the best way to annoy their teachers and be a true rebel is to quote a little Rush Limabaugh or Mark Levin!
Answer by TheDerangedGuy
Nazism is not Socialism. Nazism, by definition, means NATIONAL SOCIALISM which is different then just plain old socialism.
It is important to note that Socialism is an economic ideology, Communism is the political equivalent. This is an important distinction that people often miss, and thus, lump together and use interchangeably.
You are correct in some of your cases. Nazism does incorporate some elements of Socialism in terms of economic policy. But Nazism also incorporates many qualities of the far right in political policy, such as Xenophobia, Racism, Militant Nationalism. In other words, Nazism is very far removed from Communism. I mention Communism (political) because many of your examples are political, not economic.
Some of your examples are obviously flawed and far fetched. You mention affirmative action and you argue that it is racist. However, the important distinction that must be made is that Nazism was racist and xenophobic against minorities (Jews, Gypsies, Gays, etc) while, according to you, affirmative action is racist, but against the white majority. In other words, you can't have it both ways.
Secondly, your number 9 is simply ridiculous. You're spinning a benign quote and making it sound something other than it was intended. If you are truly using that quote as an example, then I would also expect you to use our Constitution and Declaration of Independence since "all men are created equal.." is IDENTICAL to this Nazi equivalent.
In other words, you can't make the comparison between this Nazi quote and Obama without rightfully using the Constitution or Dec of Independence as a comparison as well.
To be honest, I don't even know why I am writing this, nothing I say will convince you otherwise, my words are futile. Still, what you say is not correct and you're are leaving out many many details
Answer by transorbian
2. Nearly all historians agree that the Treaty of Versailles (don't think St. Germain is as relevant) was a grossly punitive and unfair treaty, the German representatives who signed it did so under the threat of Allied armies being sent into Germany; even the British (not so much the French) realized by the 1930s that it was counterproductive; this was one of the reasons they didn't stand up to Hitler's abrogation of it— "appeasement" was not just about being weak and/or fearing war but because they themselves had begun to believe that Germany had a right to ignore the Treaty.
7. Well this is the goal of conservative administrations as well—the healthiest economy possible—the question is how it gets actualized. Note that your quote also talks about the *possibility* of living decently (much like the Declaration of Independence talks about the *pursuit of happiness*, not happiness itself), the *guarantee* of a job was something which existed not in National Socialist Germany but the Soviet Union. (Btw the concept of "living wage" originated in Catholic economic theory, which is somewhat different from socialism. Also keep in mind that Richard Nixon while president proposed a national minimum income for heads of households—does that make him a Nazi?)
9. How do you get racism out of saying all citizens possess equal rights. Does not the Declaration of Independence state that "all men are created equal…"? (Duties is something else, but I don't understand how Obama is saying we all have equal duties beyond a merely rhetorical level.)
10. Well I agree that this tenant is a little over the top; I don't know about the email address issue you cite so I can't comment on it.
11. Well taxing them something is not the same as abolishing it. Obama did raise rates on capital gains, but they are still below what gets paid on many people's work income; as Warren Buffett has repeatedly stated he pays a lower tax rate than his own secretary. (Of course you can also make the argument that moving in a certain direction implies taking it to absurd extremes, but that could be applied to any argument. Also keep in mind that teachings exist in all branches of the "Judeo-Christian" tradition [including yes some branches of Judaism] that forbid that charging of interest [i.e. unearned income]).
12. OTOH, perhaps the promise of confiscating war profits would be a useful mechanism for discouraging the private sector's economic interest in seeing war(s) break out—something the Europeans themselves realized after WWII and which led to the creation of a unified German-French-Benelux coal/steel conglomeration, which eventually became the EU itself. I agree that no-bid contracts are bad, but under Bush it was more of an issue because he launched two wars, at least one of them unambiguously preemptive.
13. I don't see where you're getting the analogy. If you're talking about corporate ownership of companies like GM, Bush would have done the exact same thing except for the fact that he realized he would be out of office soon and he could just dump it in the lap of his successor (who would probably be from the opposing party to boot). Also I don't think anyway doubts that the government's stake is temporary, just like it was in Chrysler back in the 1970s.
14. Again I don't see the connection. Are you arguing that Obama supports some kind of ongoing fiscal payment to African-Americans from any company that was connected with the slave trade? And even if he did, do you think there's seriously any possibility whatsoever that something like that could get *any* traction in the next eight years? (assuming he's reelected)
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16. If you're saying that the minority in this case are small businesspeople then the Republicans are equally guilty, since they talk constantly about such people are the backbone of our society.
17. Yes Obama wants to increase taxes on the riches (again, as do such people as the arch-capitalist Warren Buffett), but how is he proposing to confiscate land?
18. Well impeaching a president is hardly punishing him or her with death. Nixon was impeached, no one accused the Congress of socialism then I don't think. I agree that global warming seem hyped up by the left, but the fact is that nobody knows exactly what's going on with the environment. And "911 was an inside job" tends to be spouted by right-wing libertarian-type wing nuts as much as by anyone on the left.
19. You're talking about replacing a legal system vs. an economic system. Yes of course there are connections between law and business, but your analogy mainly consists of opposing systemic change in general, which I don't think a priori makes anyone a "Nazi" or socialist.
20. You need to state here how Obama is proposing to indoctrinate America's youth. Yes of course the Democrats are proposing educational reforms along lines which reflect their beliefs and values, but this is not by definition indoctrination.
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Answer by veggie boy
Yeah in my experience, libs are by far the most likely to accuse people of being Nazi/racist/fascist et cetera, but when you really look at it objectively, their idealism is much closer to National Socialism, BY DEFINITION, than anything coming out of the right.
I especially got a kick out of the guy that said, "National Socialism isn't socialism." Who is he trying to kid? I guess the self-deceiving liberal intellect thinks that such a ridiculous assertion will fool someone.
Socialism fails every time it is tried, and every time, there's some bunch of liberals claiming that this time it will be different. I recognize the Nazi agenda in everything they do: the demonization of whites, the overt use of propaganda, the pity tactics, the religious fervor disguised in their ridiculous ideology.
It's so embarrassing to me that I used to think that way, but after I learned that all the science actually shows race is real, racial differences are real, intelligence is real, income correlates with intelligence, whites really are declining not only as a percentage but also in absolute numbers, et cetera, I just couldn't go along with the religion anymore.
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